# Black Widow Sims 4 Challenge: Rules and Scoring Source: https://sims4challenges.com/black-widow-challenge Last updated: 2026-11-10 In the Black Widow Challenge one Sim marries for money, gets caught cheating with her next partner, is widowed and repeats until there are **10 graves**. She may never hold a job, and mods and money cheats are banned. The Sims 4 rules were written by Simalot (lotlot80) and build on earlier versions for The Sims 2 and 3. ## Setup This page summarizes [Simalot's rules](https://sims4challengesrules.blogspot.com/2014/10/black-widow-challenge.html), published on the Sims 4 Challenges blog in October 2014 and reposted on the [EA Forums](https://forums.ea.com/discussions/the-sims-4-creative-corner-en/the-black-widow-challenge-%E2%99%A5%E2%99%A5-with-extra-challenges-%E2%99%A5%E2%99%A5/938521) under the name lotlot80. The rules say wife and husband, but any gender can play and marry any gender. - Lifespan on Normal. Turn aging off for every household except yours. - Create one young adult with the traits **Materialistic, Snob and Romantic** and the **Serial Romantic** aspiration. - Move in anywhere. No money cheats. - Pick a housing option: move into each spouse's house and keep every tombstone on your lot, or never move into their houses and keep a written count. ## The marriage loop - Meet a Sim, build the romance and marry. A wedding party is optional. - Host a dinner party that earns at least a silver medal. - Find a new romantic interest and move them in. - Get caught cheating: be romantic with the new partner while your spouse is nearby. - The spouse dies. Marry the new partner and engrave the tombstone with the name and "Died by Black Widow". - Repeat until 10 spouses have died. The rules leave the cause of death to you. A spouse who dies of old age costs points. ## Rules - **No mods and no cheats.** The one exception is `resetSim` for a Sim who is stuck. - **No job, ever.** All money comes from spouses. She may sell collectibles she finds, but only before her first marriage. - **Single Sims only.** To marry a Sim who is already married, the rules make you delete the rest of that household first. - **Skills:** max Cooking and Charisma. - **Broken objects** may be replaced, never repaired. - Any number of love interests at once is fine. Children are optional and worth points. ## Winning, difficulty and points On Normal the run is complete when the Black Widow dies with 10 graves behind her and both skills at level 10. | Difficulty | What you must do | | --- | --- | | Novice | 10 graves and either Cooking or Charisma maxed | | Normal | 10 graves and both skills maxed before she dies | | Specialist | All of that plus the Serial Romantic aspiration before she becomes an elder | | Legendary | The same before she becomes an adult | | Points | For | | --- | --- | | +1,000 | 7 or more graves; Cooking at 10; Charisma at 10 (1,000 each) | | +400 | Each party with a silver medal or better | | +300 | Each different ghost color that appears | | +200 | Each spouse, and again for each grave | | +100 | Each affair that ends in a death; each date; each child | | -300 | Each partner who dies naturally | | -200 | Cooking not maxed; Charisma not maxed (200 each) | | -100 | No dinner party; each bronze party; each child taken by the social worker | Specialist adds 2,000 for the aspiration, 3,000 for finishing before elder and 3,000 for the level. Legendary adds 2,000, 5,000 and 5,000. Both lose 300 per day you run late. ## Other versions | Version | By | What changes | | --- | --- | --- | | Sims 3 rules | [LampreM](https://modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=362192), Mod The Sims, August 2009 | Traits are Charismatic, Flirty and Great Kisser. A part-time job is allowed until the first marriage. Points are smaller. Credits a Sims 2 original by discordkitty. | | Five ghosts | [Playalot](https://www.carls-sims-4-guide.com/forum/index.php?topic=24806.0), Carl's Sims 4 Guide forum, October 2015 | You win with 5 ghost ex-spouses living in your mansion, the Mansion Baron aspiration done and the skill and ingredients for ambrosia. The Black Widow has the Jealous trait, and each marriage has a checklist first, including best friends, soulmates and a gold date at home. | | Black Widower | [James Turner](https://jamesturner.yt/post/black-widower), September 2024 | A werewolf looks for love 10 times. Wheels pick the dates, worlds and fates, and the run ends by curing the werewolf. Needs Werewolves, Lovestruck and My Wedding Stories. | For another money-focused run, see [Rags to Riches](/rags-to-riches). For a much stricter rule set, see the [Apocalypse Challenge](/apocalypse-challenge). The [main list](/) has the rest. ## FAQ ### How many spouses does the Black Widow need? Ten graves in Simalot's rules, with a 1,000-point bonus from the seventh. Playalot's version asks for 5 ghost ex-spouses and James Turner's for 10 partners. ### Can the Black Widow have a job? No. In Simalot's Sims 4 rules she can only sell collectibles she finds, and only before the first marriage. LampreM's Sims 3 rules allowed a part-time job until the first wedding. ### What packs does the Black Widow Challenge need? Simalot's rules name no packs. James Turner's Black Widower variant needs Werewolves, Lovestruck and My Wedding Stories. ### Who created the Black Widow Challenge? The Sims 4 rules are Simalot's. They credit LampreM's 2009 Sims 3 version, which credits a Sims 2 original by discordkitty. Simalot's thread also thanks Scout and MaxTech for rule sets from 2006 and 2011.